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poster: Highpriest
subject: New spells for shadow dtype.
date: Sat Oct 20 04:03:23 2007

I think it's time to introduce shadow-related spells into the abjurer tree...

i have some suggestion for the spell names as well... for shields
it's obvious... could use "dulled vision" for vuln with desc
"reduces target's ability to notice shadows and see motions done in
the dark"... some sort of that... i cant think of one for rupt
tho...

anyway the more important ones are the shields, so abjurers can
shield mob with shadow shield (for find weakness)...

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poster: Cheese
subject: >New spells for shadow dtype.
date: Sat Oct 20 11:51:35 2007

On Sat Oct 20 13:03:23 2007 Highpriest wrote post #1:
> I think it's time to introduce shadow-related spells into the abjurer
tree...
> 
> i have some suggestion for the spell names as well... for shields
> it's obvious... could use "dulled vision" for vuln with desc
> "reduces target's ability to notice shadows and see motions done in
> the dark"... some sort of that... i cant think of one for rupt
> tho...
> 
> anyway the more important ones are the shields, so abjurers can
> shield mob with shadow shield (for find weakness)...
why not just call it 'blind spot' instead, eheh? besides, aren't one
of the spells already named 'somethingorso vision'?
could always name the rupt 'fear' or something to that effect =)
(eheh, gotta love MTG)


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poster: Nevyn
subject: Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Tue Jun 17 15:08:15 2008

What could be added? :



Party reflects

Shadow rupt/vuln/prot ? 

Physical reflect



Mastery + self buff - enabling the abjurer to use an additional lesser and/or greater shield 



Re-attune party greater shield - Change the dtype of all partymembers' greater shields to x



Why should this be added?:

dunno, I'm bored :)

Altho it could allow more dynamic eqmobs and such

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poster: Esoteric
subject: >Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Tue Jun 17 15:54:56 2008

On Tue Jun 17 15:08:15 2008 Nevyn wrote post #3:
> Shadow rupt/vuln/prot ? 

> Physical reflect

> 

> Mastery + self buff - enabling the abjurer to use an additional lesser
and/or greater shield 

> 

> Re-attune party greater shield - Change the dtype of all partymembers'
greater shields to x

> 

> Why should this be added?:

> dunno, I'm bored :)

> Altho it could allow more dynamic eqmobs and such
I'm for this.

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poster: Pyromaniac
subject: >>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Tue Jun 17 15:55:33 2008

On Tue Jun 17 15:54:56 2008 Esoteric wrote post #4:
> On Tue Jun 17 15:08:15 2008 Nevyn wrote post #3:
> > Shadow rupt/vuln/prot ? 

> > Physical reflect

> > 

> > Mastery + self buff - enabling the abjurer to use an additional lesser
> and/or greater shield 

> > 

> > Re-attune party greater shield - Change the dtype of all partymembers'
> greater shields to x

> > 

> > Why should this be added?:

> > dunno, I'm bored :)

> > Altho it could allow more dynamic eqmobs and such
> I'm for this.
abju is fine, just needs party iw

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poster: Waxman
subject: >>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Tue Jun 17 16:46:35 2008

All abju needs imo is:



Party reflects,

Party IW

Party remove shields

Party remove reflects

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poster: Highpriest
subject: >>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Tue Jun 17 16:48:31 2008

On Tue Jun 17 16:46:35 2008 Waxman wrote post #6:
> All abju needs imo is:

> 

> Party reflects,

> Party IW

> Party remove shields

> Party remove reflects
I second that... these would be useful. phys reflect would
definitely be nice but Im 100% sure it's overpowered, unless we make
all mobs melee holy/unholy and make sure there isnt unholy/holy
reflects ever =P

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poster: Korthrun
subject: >Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Tue Jun 17 20:43:53 2008

On Tue Jun 17 15:08:15 2008 Nevyn wrote post #3:
> Shadow rupt/vuln/prot ? 

> Physical reflect

> 

> Mastery + self buff - enabling the abjurer to use an additional lesser
and/or greater shield 

> 

> Re-attune party greater shield - Change the dtype of all partymembers'
greater shields to x

> 

> Why should this be added?:

> dunno, I'm bored :)

> Altho it could allow more dynamic eqmobs and such
Psh, it's no fun if you don't have to run outside, change shields,
rekill blockers, and then rush phase two of the mob.
Down with puss-eq

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poster: Esoteric
subject: >>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Wed Jun 18 01:59:54 2008

On Tue Jun 17 20:43:53 2008 Korthrun wrote post #8:
> > 

> > Re-attune party greater shield - Change the dtype of all partymembers'
> greater shields to x

> > 

> > Why should this be added?:

> > dunno, I'm bored :)

> > Altho it could allow more dynamic eqmobs and such
> Psh, it's no fun if you don't have to run outside, change shields,
> rekill blockers, and then rush phase two of the mob.
> Down with puss-eq
Option 2, make remove shields work in combat. Nuke anyone who abuses
it, makes ppl die, etc. Holy/unholy reflect would be good. As for
phys reflect, just don't make it insanely overpowered and things
should be fine.

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poster: Pyromaniac
subject: >>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Wed Jun 18 07:32:13 2008

On Tue Jun 17 16:46:35 2008 Waxman wrote post #6:
> All abju needs imo is:

> 

> Party reflects,

> Party IW

> Party remove shields

> Party remove reflects
i was always happy with abj save party iw.  easy to redo party
shields since its mostly done in eq, have'em die.  party reflects
perhaps, would be real handy in eq, but the remove spells would be
desert compared to main course
pyro

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poster: Korthrun
subject: >>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Wed Jun 25 09:45:45 2008

On Tue Jun 17 16:46:35 2008 Waxman wrote post #6:
> 
> 
> 
> Party reflects,
> 
> Party IW
> 
> Party remove shields
> 
> Party remove reflects
This is the direction I hope we don't go.
Blah blah balance/attracting new players blah blah blah.
I know some things being made easier (lol refreshable enreg) has it's appeal.
Even though I've been a bit of a slacker in the last few parties,
this sort of thing just makes slacking easier IMO.
No good!
Except for party remove shields, or at least a sp cost reduction
would be nice.
or some neat gear that will do this
*eyes vor*
If an eq party is doing well, and they have no bard, chances are
you're going to have 7+ people waiting on the abj to regen sps, then
do shields after a full party rm shields.


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poster: Amrog
subject: >>>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Wed Jun 25 11:15:54 2008

On Wed Jun 25 09:45:45 2008 Korthrun wrote post #11:
> this sort of thing just makes slacking easier IMO.
> No good!
> Except for party remove shields, or at least a sp cost reduction
> would be nice.
> or some neat gear that will do this
> *eyes vor*
> If an eq party is doing well, and they have no bard, chances are
> you're going to have 7+ people waiting on the abj to regen sps, then
> do shields after a full party rm shields.
> 
people waiting on the abj to regen sps... eheheh
do you know that healer can heal sps?
do you know that you can buy potions that add sps?

sp cost reduction is the way how to slack more :)

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poster: Korthrun
subject: >>>>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Wed Jun 25 11:47:33 2008

On Wed Jun 25 11:15:54 2008 Amrog wrote post #12:
> > *eyes vor*
> > If an eq party is doing well, and they have no bard, chances are
> > you're going to have 7+ people waiting on the abj to regen sps, then
> > do shields after a full party rm shields.
> > 
> people waiting on the abj to regen sps... eheheh
> do you know that healer can heal sps?
> do you know that you can buy potions that add sps?
> 
> sp cost reduction is the way how to slack more :)
Yes, lay ahnds, that awesome 12 round skill in a guild people tend
to only take after they've "maxxed" the rest in the tree.
Yes I know that there is a limited supply of purhcasable potions
available to the entire player base.
and I _do_ save and use potions that monsters drop

A new set of shields and the sps to maintain 2 rupts and a WW is
about 2.5ksps or so
that counting natural regen tim eis like what? 3 or so lay hands?
at 36 seconds a piece, that's a couple of minutes per mob, to get
the abj ready to _start casting_ shields assuming you have a
highpriest with this trained up, who remembers to use it, and isn't
busy feeding the witch or some nether sps :p

<3

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poster: Amrog
subject: >>>>>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Wed Jun 25 13:23:55 2008

On Wed Jun 25 11:47:33 2008 Korthrun wrote post #13:
> 
> A new set of shields and the sps to maintain 2 rupts and a WW is
> about 2.5ksps or so
> that counting natural regen tim eis like what? 3 or so lay hands?
> at 36 seconds a piece, that's a couple of minutes per mob, to get
> the abj ready to _start casting_ shields assuming you have a
> highpriest with this trained up, who remembers to use it, and isn't
> busy feeding the witch or some nether sps :p
> 
> <3
why should highpriest feed witch or nether if the rest of party is
waiting for abjurer? :)
why dont players go into another potion store than bvar Cake's one?
if you have tappy abju, why dont you get bard into every eq party?
or get spare abju?
if evoker doesn't have top set then he is tappy too, so is nether or
witch, that is probably good reason for bard in eq party, isn't it?

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poster: Pyromaniac
subject: >>>>>>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Wed Jun 25 13:26:05 2008

On Wed Jun 25 13:23:55 2008 Amrog wrote post #14:
> On Wed Jun 25 11:47:33 2008 Korthrun wrote post #13:
> > 
> > A new set of shields and the sps to maintain 2 rupts and a WW is
> > about 2.5ksps or so
> > that counting natural regen tim eis like what? 3 or so lay hands?
> > at 36 seconds a piece, that's a couple of minutes per mob, to get
> > the abj ready to _start casting_ shields assuming you have a
> > highpriest with this trained up, who remembers to use it, and isn't
> > busy feeding the witch or some nether sps :p
> > 
> > <3
> why should highpriest feed witch or nether if the rest of party is
> waiting for abjurer? :)
> why dont players go into another potion store than bvar Cake's one?
> if you have tappy abju, why dont you get bard into every eq party?
> or get spare abju?
> if evoker doesn't have top set then he is tappy too, so is nether or
> witch, that is probably good reason for bard in eq party, isn't it?
i still say the only thing abju need is party iw and party reflects.
 everything else is cake

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poster: Korthrun
subject: >>>>>>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Wed Jun 25 13:48:15 2008

On Wed Jun 25 13:23:55 2008 Amrog wrote post #14:
> > busy feeding the witch or some nether sps :p
> > 
> > <3
> why should highpriest feed witch or nether if the rest of party is
> waiting for abjurer? :)
> why dont players go into another potion store than bvar Cake's one?
> if you have tappy abju, why dont you get bard into every eq party?
> or get spare abju?
> if evoker doesn't have top set then he is tappy too, so is nether or
> witch, that is probably good reason for bard in eq party, isn't it?
Sorry, I forgot that there are always a full highpriest, a bard, and
7 evokers with top sets idling waiting for eq.
disregard my previous post

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poster: Rancor
subject: >>>>>>>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Wed Jun 25 18:41:09 2008

On Wed Jun 25 13:48:15 2008 Korthrun wrote post #16:
> On Wed Jun 25 13:23:55 2008 Amrog wrote post #14:
> > > busy feeding the witch or some nether sps :p
> > > 
> > > <3
> > why should highpriest feed witch or nether if the rest of party is
> > waiting for abjurer? :)
> > why dont players go into another potion store than bvar Cake's one?
> > if you have tappy abju, why dont you get bard into every eq party?
> > or get spare abju?
> > if evoker doesn't have top set then he is tappy too, so is nether or
> > witch, that is probably good reason for bard in eq party, isn't it?
> Sorry, I forgot that there are always a full highpriest, a bard, and
> 7 evokers with top sets idling waiting for eq.
> disregard my previous post
gosh we dont need all that we have QUILLZ!

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poster: Quillz
subject: >>>>>>>>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Wed Jun 25 18:42:37 2008

On Wed Jun 25 18:41:09 2008 Rancor wrote post #17:
> On Wed Jun 25 13:48:15 2008 Korthrun wrote post #16:
> > On Wed Jun 25 13:23:55 2008 Amrog wrote post #14:
> > > > busy feeding the witch or some nether sps :p
> > > > 
> > > > <3
> > > why should highpriest feed witch or nether if the rest of party is
> > > waiting for abjurer? :)
> > > why dont players go into another potion store than bvar Cake's one?
> > > if you have tappy abju, why dont you get bard into every eq party?
> > > or get spare abju?
> > > if evoker doesn't have top set then he is tappy too, so is nether or
> > > witch, that is probably good reason for bard in eq party, isn't it?
> > Sorry, I forgot that there are always a full highpriest, a bard, and
> > 7 evokers with top sets idling waiting for eq.
> > disregard my previous post
> gosh we dont need all that we have QUILLZ!
They wrote a song after me....It's called, "I'll be two steps behind."

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poster: Esoteric
subject: >>>>>>>>>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Thu Jun 26 16:14:58 2008

On Wed Jun 25 18:42:37 2008 Quillz wrote post #18:
> > > > why dont players go into another potion store than bvar Cake's one?
> > > > if you have tappy abju, why dont you get bard into every eq party?
> > > > or get spare abju?
> > > > if evoker doesn't have top set then he is tappy too, so is nether or
> > > > witch, that is probably good reason for bard in eq party, isn't it?
> > > Sorry, I forgot that there are always a full highpriest, a bard, and
> > > 7 evokers with top sets idling waiting for eq.
> > > disregard my previous post
> > gosh we dont need all that we have QUILLZ!
> They wrote a song after me....It's called, "I'll be two steps behind."
Heh, if bards were readily available, tapping wouldn't be so much of
an issue.  I buy the sp potions for my party when i can. (And i
check the 4 diff stores i know of). A party remove shields would
alleviate my concern for tappage of abs. Also, i know of like 2
healers in the entire game with lay hangs. So amrog, go bard or hand
layer and do eq, cool guy.

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poster: Amrog
subject: >>>>>>>>>>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Thu Jun 26 21:44:15 2008

On Thu Jun 26 16:14:58 2008 Esoteric wrote post #19:
> > > > 7 evokers with top sets idling waiting for eq.
> > > > disregard my previous post
> > > gosh we dont need all that we have QUILLZ!
> > They wrote a song after me....It's called, "I'll be two steps behind."
> Heh, if bards were readily available, tapping wouldn't be so much of
> an issue.  I buy the sp potions for my party when i can. (And i
> check the 4 diff stores i know of). A party remove shields would
> alleviate my concern for tappage of abs. Also, i know of like 2
> healers in the entire game with lay hangs. So amrog, go bard or hand
> layer and do eq, cool guy.
there is no tank, no party happens...
there is no healer, no party happens...
there is no abju, no party happens...
etc. you can start eq party without some important guild, but the
party will not be too good probably. And the same is without bard.
You can think bard is not important for cool party, but you party
members will tap :)
your*

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poster: Korthrun
subject: >>>>>>>>>>>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Fri Jun 27 19:10:49 2008

On Thu Jun 26 21:44:15 2008 Amrog wrote post #20:
> > healers in the entire game with lay hangs. So amrog, go bard or hand
> > layer and do eq, cool guy.
> there is no tank, no party happens...
> there is no healer, no party happens...
> there is no abju, no party happens...
> etc. you can start eq party without some important guild, but the
> party will not be too good probably. And the same is without bard.
> You can think bard is not important for cool party, but you party
> members will tap :)
> your*
We are all for bards in eq parties, nobody implied we thought they
weren't important.
What we have said is that there is rarely one available.
Hence you being asked to reinc bard.
Please, stop arguing with yourself.


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poster: Chemosh
subject: >>>>>>>>>>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Tue Jul  1 01:38:50 2008

On Thu Jun 26 16:14:58 2008 Esoteric wrote post #19:
> On Wed Jun 25 18:42:37 2008 Quillz wrote post #18:
> > > > > why dont players go into another potion store than bvar Cake's one?
> > > > > if you have tappy abju, why dont you get bard into every eq party?
> > > > > or get spare abju?
> > > > > if evoker doesn't have top set then he is tappy too, so is nether or
> > > > > witch, that is probably good reason for bard in eq party, isn't it?
> > > > Sorry, I forgot that there are always a full highpriest, a bard, and
> > > > 7 evokers with top sets idling waiting for eq.
> > > > disregard my previous post
> > > gosh we dont need all that we have QUILLZ!
> > They wrote a song after me....It's called, "I'll be two steps behind."
> Heh, if bards were readily available, tapping wouldn't be so much of
> an issue.  I buy the sp potions for my party when i can. (And i
> check the 4 diff stores i know of). A party remove shields would
> alleviate my concern for tappage of abs. Also, i know of like 2
> healers in the entire game with lay hangs. So amrog, go bard or hand
> layer and do eq, cool guy.
i agree with amrog. there are plenty of ways to regen sps fast.
fires, witches, potions, spr eq sets. 
if we are going to add spells to  guilds to make them non-tap,
refresh at will, easy peasy, then where is the challenge. i thought
the point of this game was to have fun and face challenges. make the
seemingly impossible, possible
i could post an idea for a new druid omnicrom. reduces the cost of
making power crystals from costing 30k gold and 1000sps to insta
cast and free. sure it would make my life easier, but then so would
my free exp button i carry
balance is the name of the game

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poster: Korthrun
subject: >>>>>>>>>>>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Tue Jul  1 09:59:38 2008

On Tue Jul  1 01:38:50 2008 Chemosh wrote post #22:
> fires, witches, potions, spr eq sets. 
> if we are going to add spells to  guilds to make them non-tap,
> refresh at will, easy peasy, then where is the challenge. i thought
> the point of this game was to have fun and face challenges. make the
> seemingly impossible, possible
> i could post an idea for a new druid omnicrom. reduces the cost of
> making power crystals from costing 30k gold and 1000sps to insta
> cast and free. sure it would make my life easier, but then so would
> my free exp button i carry
> balance is the name of the game
This is a minor convience, and the only thing I think the abj would
need _were you to go about adding things to the guild_. My initial
intent was to say that I think the guild is fine, but if you're
going to go about suggesting ideas, this is the only change I would
like to see.
You should go back in the thread and read my posts. Here are some clips:
"Down with puss-eq"
--start--
> Party reflects,
>
> Party IW
>
> Party remove shields
>
> Party remove reflects
This is the direction I hope we don't go.
--end--
You'll notice I also offered the idea of a sp cost reduction in
place of party wide remove shields.
Which somehow turned into someone arguing with me about how I think
bard is a useless class in eq.
Right now, with a damn near top set, and maxxed mastery, rming
shields on a party of 8+ close to taps me.
I pop potions during combat to prevent the party waiting. Don't lie
to yourself, you know people get impatient here when you hold them
up for more than a few minutes of prep.
After the shields are removed, they need reprotted.
Was I complaining about this in general? No.
Is this some gripe I have with the guild? No.
If something were going to be added/changed about end-game abjurer,
would I want it to be this? Yes.

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poster: Esoteric
subject: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Tue Jul  1 17:25:07 2008

On Tue Jul  1 09:59:38 2008 Korthrun wrote post #23:
> Right now, with a damn near top set, and maxxed mastery, rming
> shields on a party of 8+ close to taps me.
> I pop potions during combat to prevent the party waiting. Don't lie
> to yourself, you know people get impatient here when you hold them
> up for more than a few minutes of prep.
> After the shields are removed, they need reprotted.
> Was I complaining about this in general? No.
> Is this some gripe I have with the guild? No.
> If something were going to be added/changed about end-game abjurer,
> would I want it to be this? Yes.
Easy peasy.
Nice point made NECRO

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poster: Vor
subject: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Thu Aug  7 10:48:58 2008

On Tue Jul  1 09:59:38 2008 Korthrun wrote post #23 in guild.abjurer:

> I pop potions during combat to prevent the party waiting. Don't lie

> to yourself, you know people get impatient here when you hold them

> up for more than a few minutes of prep.



ahahahahaha, minutes indeed. with all the slacking the vokerbots do, i think healer/abj/witch are expected to be immediately useful. you should be using your shield's spell storing abilities, damnit! make better trigs!



i will not be adding a party remove spell for that stuff, nor a party iw spell. i'm not necessarily opposed... i just don't see the need to speed it up. people need to learn to wait for stuff in this game.

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poster: Korthrun
subject: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ideas for additional abj omicron
date: Thu Aug  7 21:52:10 2008

On Thu Aug  7 10:48:58 2008 Vor wrote post #25:
> On Tue Jul  1 09:59:38 2008 Korthrun wrote post #23 in guild.abjurer:

> > I pop potions during combat to prevent the party waiting. Don't lie

> > to yourself, you know people get impatient here when you hold them

> > up for more than a few minutes of prep.

> 

> ahahahahaha, minutes indeed. with all the slacking the vokerbots do, i
think healer/abj/witch are expected to be immediately useful. you should be
using your shield's spell storing abilities, damnit! make better trigs!

> 

> i will not be adding a party remove spell for that stuff, nor a party iw
spell. i'm not necessarily opposed... i just don't see the need to speed it
up. people need to learn to wait for stuff in this game.
my shield has spell storing abilities?

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poster: Falcore
subject: fix
date: Fri Feb 13 10:38:04 2009

please fix this abj plaque
i dont see how a maxxed abj is getting beat and passed by newbie
non maxxed abjs

 3) Korthrun            88%
4) Zarp                78%
5) Falcore             74%
if your shield is supposed to reflect your grank at plaque
i should be ahead of both of these people
since i am maxxed grank

Falcore(fetus)

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poster: Vor
subject: >fix
date: Tue Feb 17 10:13:18 2009

On Fri Feb 13 10:38:04 2009 Falcore wrote post #27 in guild.abjurer:

> please fix this abj plaque

> i dont see how a maxxed abj is getting beat and passed by newbie

> non maxxed abjs

> 

>  3) Korthrun            88%

> 4) Zarp                78%

> 5) Falcore             74%

> if your shield is supposed to reflect your grank at plaque

> i should be ahead of both of these people

> since i am maxxed grank

> 

> Falcore(fetus)





it isn't.